Last week, I unfortunately had to tolerate a discussion on religious matters at dinner. During this discussion, one of the believers deliberately made statements about some information that was disingenuous. I say deliberately because this isn’t the first time this believer made false statements about a subject matter. One of the issues discussed was that believers do not hate science. The believer tried to prove this by saying that scientist are believers, and examples of scientists with belief were Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein. First of all, the statement about scientist believing in God is not accurate. According to the study done by Nature magazine on 23 July 1998, “Leading Scientists Still Reject God.” The study showed the members of the National Academy of Sciences are 72% Atheists, 21% Agnostic, and only 7% have a belief in God. So the notion that scientist in general are believers is factually not true. Secondly, this idea that Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein are believers is not true. Here are some of the quotes from Thomas Edison on belief in God.
1. My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it. [Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]
2. All Bibles are man-made. [Thomas Edison]
3. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk. [Thomas Edison]
4. I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals,or of a personal God. [Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]
5. I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States. [Thomas Edison]
6. To those searching for truth - not the truth of dogma and darkness but the truth brought by reason, search, examination, and inquiry, discipline is required. For faith, as well intentioned as it may be,must be built on facts, not fiction - faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. [Thomas Edison]
7. I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul... No, all this talk of an existence beyond the grave is wrong. It is bornof our tenacity of life - our desire to go on living - our dread of coming to an end. [Thomas Edison, quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief, Famous People with the Courage to Doubt, by James A. Haught, Prometheus Books, 1996]
8. The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them. [ThomasEdison, quoted by Joseph Lewis from a personal conversation; source: CliffWalker's Positive Atheism's Big List ofQuotations]
9. What fools? [Thomas Edison, commenting on the spectacle of hundreds of thousands making a pilgrimage to the grave of an obscure priest in Massachusetts, in the hope of effecting miraculous cures, quoted by JosephLewis from a personal conversation; source: Cliff Walker's Positive Atheism's Big List ofQuotations]
10. Incurably religious, that is the best way to describe the mental condition of so many people. [Thomas Edison, quoted by Joseph Lewis from a personal conversation; source: Cliff Walker's Positive Atheism's Big List ofQuotations]
From all these quotes, I don’t understand how any believer could concoct such outright lies about Thomas Edison being a believer.
Here are quotes from Albert Einstein on belief in God.
1. The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable,but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954
2. I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.
- Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question "Doyou believe in God?" quoted in: Has Science Found God?, by Victor JStenger
3. It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein:The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
4. During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence,the phenomenal world.
- Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught
5. I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but Ido not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R.Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2
6. It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs;no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine,November 9, 1930
7. I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.
- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by HelenDukas & Banesh Hoffman
8. Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e.by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being.
- Albert Einstein, 1936, responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray; quoted in: Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited byHelen Dukas & Banesh Hoffmann
9. Common to all these types is the anthropomorphic character of their conception of God. In general, only individuals of exceptional endowments, and exceptionally high-minded communities, rise to any considerable extent above this level. But there is a third stage of religious experience which belongs to all of them, even though it is rarely found in a pure form: I shall call it cosmic religious feeling. It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it, especially as there is no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it.
- Albert Einstein, New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
10. Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omni-beneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. ...
- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)
Again, I do not understand where the idea came from that Albert Einstein is a believer. By the quotes, one can honestly assume that he was not a believer by any stretch of the imagination.
The other piece of misinformation the believer stated was that they did not believe that man evolves from a chimpanzee. By this statement alone, I realized this believer and many other believers who make this statement do not have the faintest knowledge about evolution. If this believer as well as other believers would take the time to study evolution they would find that a few million years ago humans and chimpanzee split individually from a common ancestor. (The Science of Evolution and the Myth of Creationism by Ardea Skybreak; Ch.7 pg. 120)
Needless to say,these two believers were not very honest in their approach to this information which served to uphold their faith. I don’t have a problem with believers having faith in their respective belief, but don’t deliberately alter information for the sole purpose of trying to build up your faith on false assumptions.
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